Amitriptyline thread

Threads in here about specific medications.

Moderators: gila, Blaadyblah, Rosie, Retro

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Chloe♥ » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:51 pm

Hi Bearone - I'm sorry to see that you are in such a lot of pain.
Re: amitrip, it's really too soon to tell if it's going to be effective for you or not. The point of amitrip is that it doesn't actually knock you out, there are some mothers of infants who have posted here taking amitrip, and the answer given by Eloise, our lovely resident pharmacist ( :bday: ) is that amitriptyline will allow you to wake up in the night if disturbed. So you will still be woken by pain, unfortunately :( The difference should be that it requires a little more pain, or that it's easier for you to drop off.
By it's very nature, the response you get to amitriptyline on the first night isn't going to be the response you get to it when you're taking it regularly. It is probably worth continuing to take it for a couple of weeks to see if your sleep gets generally better. It is the sort of drug that gradually builds up in your system before it has an effect (or the best effect). I've been taking amitriptyline for a year now, and whilst it's helped my sleep almost from the beginning, I've only very recently noticed that it does seem to have some effect on my general pain levels.

Re: the "unresponsive" question... It is actually possible to have a genetic "fault" that means that you do not respond to opiates. These people tend to end up in A&E with their shoulders round their ankles, screaming in agony and getting no relief from morphine - because if it's more subtle than that no one notices you're completely unresponsive to it, it's just a matter of everyone being individuals.
I believe this is quite rare - I'm sure someone else can give you more info on it (I only know about it because I've seen it mentioned somewhere on the boards).
However... If you've had any help from your dihydrocodeine and oxycontin, at any point, this isn't you.
It is of course possible for people to become tolerant of the opiates once they've been on them for a while. This might be what's happening with you.
Absolutely all of this depends entirely on what's going on with you - these are just some general points or possibilities. You know how your body is responding to what you to do it, I obviously don't.

Re: naproxen, this is given out all the time for joint issues, but it gets very mixed reviews here from people with HMS/EDS. It's great for inflammation, which isn't a defining feature of HMS, so those people with inflammation may get help from it where others don't. Another question to ask yourself.

The obvious answer if you think your meds might not be doing anything for you is to come off them. BUT you should only make one change at a time (don't come off something whilst you're still adjusting to amitrip, eg.) and DEFINITELY only do it once you've discussed it at length with your health professionals and really understand what's going on.

Do you have a pain management doctor? If you don't, it'd definitely be worth a referral by your GP or rheumy as a pain doctor will have a much better idea of how to get all these drugs to work for you than other doctors.

Sorry for the massive ramble - just some things to ask yourself/think about. Definitely talk the whole thing over with your doctor.

---

On the subject of amitriptyline, my GP has suggested I experiment with the dose to see if it's got anything to do with my hopeless fatigue. I sleep sensibly now I'm on it, and I do think it's helped my general pain level, so I'm a bit wary of taking less of it. Still - if I stop sleeping altogether I can just take it again! It'll be worth it to see if I can tweak my amitrip dosage and feel better.
Twice as much ain't twice as good,
And it can't sustain like one half could,
It's wanting more that's going to send me to my knees.
Gravity, John Mayer.
Chloe♥
enthusiast
 
Posts: 309
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:26 pm

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby clairbear » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:19 pm

Hello!

This is probably a really easy question for someone to answer. I've been taking amitriptyline for years snd it works for me. I am generally very well organised with my drugs but on the very odd occassion i miss a dose of amitriyline my pain goes through the roof for a couple of days.

I know that different drugs stay in your system for varying lengths of time but this feels like a disproprotionate reaction to missing one dru - the only one i take at night!

Any words of wisdom gratfeully received

Cx
Confirmed EDS III Jan 2011 age 37
Not going to change my world but explains many of my peculiarities
User avatar
clairbear
Member
 
Posts: 40
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:46 am
Location: Epsom, Surrey

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Rosie » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:06 pm

Hi Clairbear

It may be that the pain caused by the lack of pain relief from the ami is exagerated by the poorer sleep quality also produced by missing the ami. You ,may not even notice, but ami does promote better deep sleep.

Rosie
Diagnosed HEDS December 1st 2005. DD1 (20) HEDS and scoliosis (now corrected by surgery), diagnosed June 2006. DD2 (18) mild HMS. Son (11) some hypermobile joints, poor muscle strength and seems to be developing scoliosis as well, woopee!
User avatar
Rosie
Moderator
 
Posts: 3299
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:58 pm
Location: Brighton area

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Chloe♥ » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:03 pm

I'm currently trying to work out if my brain is completely failing to work because of the lower dose of amitriptyline, or if it's just that I'm having a **** few days...
Twice as much ain't twice as good,
And it can't sustain like one half could,
It's wanting more that's going to send me to my knees.
Gravity, John Mayer.
Chloe♥
enthusiast
 
Posts: 309
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:26 pm

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby sheppeyescapee » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:44 pm

I've had excessive thirst since being on it. Drinking a good 4-5 pints of water an evening, about the same during the day too :think:
J - 28,student,married to the lovely Em and live with 2 cats Bilbo and Pippin. Diagnosed with Aspergers, Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, EDS-HM, Mild Asthma, Chronic Pain, Chronic Fatigue, POTS, Syncope
sheppeyescapee
Carpal tunnel
 
Posts: 1237
Joined: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:43 pm
Location: Stoke Gifford, Bristol, UK

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Eloise » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:40 pm

It is a dry mouth rather than an actual thirst - so you maybe able to have chewing gum etc to help rather than flushing gallons of liquid through your system!
Benign Joint Familial Hypermobility Syndrome (BJFHS) - Confirmed Prof Bird April 2008 :)
I am a Pharmacist and I will give my opinion on these boards. However, always ask your own health professionals for your individual circumstance.
User avatar
Eloise
Carpal tunnel
 
Posts: 1377
Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:42 pm
Location: Mansfield

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Chloe♥ » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:42 am

A few weeks ago I was sleeping 10 or more hours a night and was still exhausted. On the advice of my GP I reduced my amitriptyline dose slightly (3 - 4 weeks ago). It seems to be having an increasing effect. I've been sleeping less and feeling more alert. I've also been in more pain - but it's difficult to say whether that's the amitrip, the weather or just the nature of my pain - it is always cyclical.
My sleep patterns have gone a bit wrong, though, because by 8pm or so I'm in so much pain and feeling so rubbish that I just want to go to sleep. I force myself to stay up until 10 at the earliest, and then go to bed. I don't sleep right away though - probably start to drop off between 11 and midnight. (Previously I was going to bed at the same time or earlier, and not able to get out of bed until 9ish.) So my days have been starting progressively earlier. It's become normal to wake up at 7ish. Which is fine really - I'm just finding it a little strange.

Which brings us to today. I went to bed at midnight, listened to a podcast, so the earliest I would have fallen asleep would be 12.30am. I was awake at 3.

This is quite memorable - before starting on the amitriptyline I was waking up at 3ish, then sleeping on and off until 9ish. But this morning - no more sleep. Not possible. But I also can't read because my brain isn't fully functioning.
I'm NOT TIRED, but I'm still hopeless.

I'm just wondering if such a small decrease in amitriptyline could really cause such a huge difference?!
Twice as much ain't twice as good,
And it can't sustain like one half could,
It's wanting more that's going to send me to my knees.
Gravity, John Mayer.
Chloe♥
enthusiast
 
Posts: 309
Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:26 pm

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Lou661 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:06 am

I took my first dose of amitryptaline last night. Doc's got me on lowest dose this week with a gradual increase next week and possibly the week after if I need to. Not expeccting miracles as he's told me to give at least 6-8 weeks before I notice any reduction in pain, and from reading through this thread. What I am wondering though is has anyone notice an initial increase in morning pain when they first start on it? tried searching the thread but couldn't find anything relevant.

I took my ami last night at 9ish, normally go to sleep about 11ish so it seemed a good time to take it. I didnt have any drowsiness what-so-ever, I woke up during the night like I have been in the past few weeks, had a completely clear mind this morning(doc had waned me the first few mornings I would most likely still be drowsy and a bit slugish) and I was in more pain than I have been for a while in the morning. Really tight achy muscles and stiff sore joints, I even struggled to liftthe bedcovers off me. Wasn't expecting this at all and even started wondering if I had actually taken it :roll:

Anyhoo I suppose I should wait at least a few days before I start whinging. I'm not expecting instant results on the pain front, but I was expecting a change in sleep pretty much straight from the off, could just be I'm going to need the slightly higher doses. Or maybe I have had a deeper sleep, even though I haven't noticed, and I've been moving around more which has caused the increased pain this morning?

Puzzled

Louise
User avatar
Lou661
Member
 
Posts: 69
Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:01 am
Location: FIFE

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Eloise » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:14 am

Quite often it can lead to you being in a deeper sleep, so yes your muscles and joints can be more painful on waking until you get them moving again. I normally find this is outweighed by getting better sleep and better pain relief overall and so is ok in the long run. Just keep an on things and see how it goes. Also, bear in mind you can never tell whether it was a normal change that was going to happen or the tablets, so just keep seeing how it goes.
Benign Joint Familial Hypermobility Syndrome (BJFHS) - Confirmed Prof Bird April 2008 :)
I am a Pharmacist and I will give my opinion on these boards. However, always ask your own health professionals for your individual circumstance.
User avatar
Eloise
Carpal tunnel
 
Posts: 1377
Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:42 pm
Location: Mansfield

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Jess » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:23 pm

I find I need to have a morning wiggle before moving out of the bed. it does take about 10-15mins to make sure everything is in place and is happy to move then get out. It does help
I feel like a bowl of Rice Cripsies!! I'm snap, crackling, popping everywhere!

Nottinghamshire & Warwickshire Support Group Co-ordinator
Jess
addict
 
Posts: 606
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:06 pm

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Ruby » Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:56 pm

I agree with Jessica allowing your body that extra ten minutes to wake up before leaping from bed helps and is definitely worth it as amytriptiline does so much to help me. I've had the dosage increased a few times and it really helps with pain and sleeping right through the night so I can cope the next day. Looking back it may have taken several weeks to work effectively but as I say it works really well for my widespread pain :)
Ruby X
User avatar
Ruby
Member
 
Posts: 197
Joined: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:06 pm
Location: Scotland

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Lou661 » Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:19 pm

I need to give myself a good 20 minutes from waking til I get up anyway, first there's the "dead body" that doesn't want to move then I need to do some stretching and pelvic tilts to get enough bits moving to get out of bed. Luckily nothing ever seems to pop out during the night, just stiff. The past couple of mornings haven't been quite as bad as the first and so far still no side affects which I'm reallt thankful for.

Thanks for the words of advice, they're definately encouraging :)
User avatar
Lou661
Member
 
Posts: 69
Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:01 am
Location: FIFE

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby norfolkandchance » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:22 pm

Hello :)

I have been to the GP again recently and he's loaded me up with some painkillers without question. Great. Except they're not working and are giving me quite a bad tummy. So I'm thinking of asking for the ami. I've been hesitant about this because I realise it will be a long-term thing.

My real question is: How does it work if you're having to do a night shift? Do you delay taking your dose til you go to bed in the morning or do you take it at the same time? Am wanting to get started before I have to think about nights again (November) so it has a chance to work and not knock me completely out.

Thank you!
norfolkandchance
Member
 
Posts: 71
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:16 am

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Stone » Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:51 pm

I can only speak for myself, but if I delay my (middling-size) dose, or skip it altogether, I get an extra 6 hours or so of wakefulness before I have to sleep. I've been taking it over a year now, so I think I'm fairly well-adjusted to it - if I want to stay up late at a party, or drink heavily (or both! ;)) then I just skip the dose altogether, or take a reduced dose when I finally do get to bed.

It's not a chemical cosh, it's never going to be a guaranteed 'sleep 2h after taking, or you'll fall over' - and in fact if I take my normal dose and then simply don't go to bed, after the initial sleepiness 2 hours after taking it (lasts about 40 mins) then I can stay up as long as I like. It's much more subtle than that - it will make it easier to sleep and let you sleep more deeply, but it shouldn't completely flatten you: not on a starting dose, anyway.

If I was working nights I'd give myself a couple of days to adjust gradually to taking it at my new bedtime, but I'm not sure that that advice would be much different if I wasn't taking it and started doing night shifts... :think:

Stone
User avatar
Stone
Carpal tunnel
 
Posts: 1115
Joined: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:57 am
Location: Herts

Re: Amitriptyline thread

Postby Lou661 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:42 pm

Well it's been a week now so time to step my dose up a bit. The initial increase in morning pain has eased off slighlty, but still worse than it was before...making me a bit disheartened, but I WILL persevere.

A strange thing I've noticed is I'm getting a really dozy, sleepy period for an hour or so about 1-2ish in the afternoon, take ami at 9-10ish at night. Doesn't feel like my usual afternoon slump or evening fatigue so I'm trying to figure out if it's from the amitriptyline or just because my hours at work have been gradually increasing over the past couple of weeks back up to full-time hours. Anyone else had delayed sleepiness from it, or is a delay of 16 hours(ish) just to silly to contemplate ?
User avatar
Lou661
Member
 
Posts: 69
Joined: Thu May 19, 2011 11:01 am
Location: FIFE

PreviousNext

Return to Medication Specific

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests