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Re: acupuncture - things to know :-)

Postby FryingSaucepans » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:42 am

Hi There,

I have only just recently registered onto this site and have only recently been able to put a name to the symptoms I feel which is a relief in itself!

When I came on the forum the first post I came to was this one as I am a firm believer in acupuncture and I wanted to find out other peoples experiences with it.
In my experience it has helped me to feel pain-free in the areas my practitioner has worked on so far for up to a week and half at a time and this is expected to last longer as my treatment continues. It may not ever fully cure the pain for good but it has made such an astounding difference that I would recommend it to anyone and everyone I know!

After reading the posts on here I figured it may help people to know a little more about it and so I have a written down some of what I know about it :-)

I would suggest that on many of the posts I have read on here and indeed from stories I have heard from people I know, experiences of acupuncture can often come from chiropractors, doctors, osteopaths, physiotherapists etc. in short, people who don't really know what they are doing! For those of you who have tried acupuncture and not found it helpful or useful or even too painful, I would ask whether or not you went to an acupuncture registered with the British Acupuncture Council or not? If not then I would recommend maybe trying it again! Acupuncture is often used by people who don’t necessarily know the intricacies of what can really be done with this form of therapy and often they will not know a great deal of the theory behind the practice. This will make A LOT of difference!

There are two simple ways of knowing whether you have been to someone who has been trained properly;


Did they take notes of your pulse(s) throughout the session?

Did they make a note of what your tongue looked like?

These are two simple but effective methods that ALL properly trained acupuncturists will do in EVERY single session.

To make sure you are getting the most out of the treatment I would suggest firstly reading up on the principals of acupuncture to find out how it works, what it can do for you and also what you should expect. A good book to get you started is 'The Acupuncture Handbook' by Angela Hicks. Secondly I would recommend that where possible it would probably be good for you to try and find a practitioner who uses both 'Five Element Acupuncture' and 'TCM Acupuncture' in their method of work (these are the two different recognised forms of acupuncture and some practitioners integrate both forms). If this is not possible it would probably be better to go to a practitioner who uses TCM Acupuncture - TCM focuses on external/ acute pain and the Five Element focuses more on the internal symptoms (hence why it is good when they are integrated) - do not be afraid to ask what style they practice - and remember that if they know their stuff they will have no hesitation it answering :-)
Thoroughly trained practitioners in acupuncture in this country will generally now have done a minimum 3-year degree course. Often (but of course, not always) other practitioners using acupuncture in their practice's will have done short courses - these may be anything from a weekend to a few weeks (unfortunately it is not illegal in this country to do these short courses and go on to 'practice' acupuncture) and although they can help, you will ultimately benefit more from someone who thoroughly knows what they are doing.

I cannot stress enough how much difference acupuncture can make to you when done properly! It has made such a profound impact on me that I am now currently planning to train as an acupuncturist in about two years time. If you have any questions about anything I have mentioned please do ask and I can try and answer for you I hope this post helps someone :-)
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Re: acupuncture

Postby Deb72 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:05 pm

My physio gave me my first acupunture today.

There I was letting her stick needles in me thinking 'this ain't so bad I can't even feel them' little did I know she was going to manlipluate the needles OH MY GOD! How painful? then she cheerful tells me she wants to do it again next week!

lol not all that bad when I went in I couldn't get my arm behind my back after the acupunture I could, I do still have pain and have a burning sensation where the needles have been but at least I have more movement now. Hopefully this is a good sign and things will get better from here, not the least being finding a physio who really wants to help!
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Re: acupuncture

Postby Frankles » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:30 pm

That's brilliant Deb! You will probably feel dreadful for a couple of days, but then you'll feel sooo much better. I do hope it works for you, it changed my life. Could do with some now tbh, might have to settle for a massage though...
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Re: acupuncture

Postby Rosie » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:12 am

Hi Deb

Just be aware that for some of us acupuncture works and can help, and for others it is a really painful experience never to be repeated! Of course, it can be some where in between these two extremes. Acupuncture is not meant to be painful. Like many thinghs for us, you may need to weigh up the advantages and the side effects, and decide whether you want to try it again.

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Re: acupuncture

Postby jolonglegs91 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:58 pm

I was thibking of trying acupuncture for the fatigue side of hms has anyone tried this
I would be really greatful to know if it gas worked well for anyone as this is a lot of money
For me but I think if it works it will be well worth the money.
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Re: acupuncture

Postby pretzel » Sun May 30, 2010 11:30 pm

I found this on BBC News and thought people here might be interested, this study seems to provide some answers as to HOW acupuncture works.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/10185247.stm
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Myofascial release and acupuncture

Postby Honeybee » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:00 pm

Hello everyone, I want to ask if anyone has tried myofascial release?

I have JHS, FMS and CFS. I'm bendy but not very bendy so I dont have many probs with subluxes etc but do have a lot of trouble with my neck shoulder and lower back, pain and stiffness. I've been going to a physio for trigger point therapy and acupuncture which although painfull to start with has really helped to ease the muscle tension. The pain's not gone totally but I have a lot more movement in my upper back now. I've made an appt with a therapist who does myofascial release as I've heard that this can be very good for muscle tension and stiffness. I used to be able to touch my toes but now cant reach my knees. I used to do yoga but found it made it worse so stopped.

The myofascia covers all our muscles and internal organs and goes right through the body. When we are injured and our movment is restricted this tightens up and becomes thickened and stringy further restricting our movement. The therapist that I spoke to said that this can cause the heavy lead legs feelings and make you feel like you are weighed down. I'm really keen to try this as I suffer terribly with lead and jelly legs and have made and appt to see her. If everything is tight around the muscles it must make it difficult to get and keep them in good shape to support the joints so I'm hoping this will help as part of the whole treatment package.

If anyone is interested she gave me some refs which explains it really well:

Gil Headley The fuzz speech - on u-tube (human cadaver involved but shows the myofascia really well)
John Barnes website - myofascialrelease.com

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Re: Acupuncture and Myofascial release

Postby lil_miffy » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:52 am

My mum has started accuptunture in her neck with her physio and I will be starting it for my lower back and insommnia next week with my physio.

Mum has been in much more worse pain this week after her 1st session so she is dreading her next but hopefully its just worse before it gets better.
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Re: Acupuncture and Myofascial release

Postby leashy11 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:25 pm

Acupuncture was a truly awful experience for me on all 3 occasions it's been tried with 3 different therapists. I feel all the needles as needles and when they mess with them it's so painful and not only that but it doesn't do any good for me either. I've had myofascial release done several times and it tends to send me into a flare up because I don't have anything else to stabilise the joints once they release the tight areas so for me neither has been a success unfortunately.
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Re: Acupuncture and Myofascial release

Postby Honeybee » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:51 am

Thanks for replies, I hope that it does get better for your mum Lil-miffy and goes ok for you too. I found that it was very painfull the first time in particular and has gotten easier. I Have a lot of trigger points in my neck and back but as they have started to go it has gotten better. The physio is also more aware of my increased pain sensitivity (fibro) and is a little more cautious as she works. I have definately felt a difference and feel that I have a lot more movement now. I also found that it caused flares (increased pain in my neck and shoulder, extreme tiredness, brain fog etc) but if I drank plenty of water and rested a lot then it passed after a week. I leave 10 days between sessions to give me recovery time. I can do this as I'm off sick from work but would be impossible if I had to go to work. I'm also paying for it myself but I'm desparate as at the moment it looks like going back to work is impossible but I havent given up yet. I have HMS, CFS, myofascial pain and FMS so I really have no idea whether I'm going to improve things or make them worse but feel I have to do something.

Leashy11 can I ask what you mean by a flare up after the myofascial release? I'm sorry that it didnt help you as I think it seems to be helping me but everyone is diferrent. I dont have a lot of problem loose joints apart from my right shoulder, hands and sacroiliac joint but maybe you have more problems with more joints. I have found that after any treatments that loosened off the tension I did get increased pain for a while until my body adjusted to the new shape it was in.

I've had a couple of myofascial release treatments and they do most definately cause extreme tiredness for me but not any pain flare ups. After I feel great for about an hour then bam the fatigue fits. I think this is related to toxin release in the tissues so again plenty of water and rest to recover. The second hasnt been as difficult as the first. I was a bit anxious as she was stretching my arms at one point but they were ok afterwards. i'm hoping that this will help my lower back which is permanently extended and my pelvis is pulling at my shoulder joint and also to keep my trigger points from returning. It just seems like there are so many things wrong its hard to know what to do for the best and just to stay patient and realise that this is a multifacted problem so wont go away overnight. sometimes I wish i could time travel either back before it was so bad ( so i could take more preventative action) or into the much better (i hope ) future where it isnt so bad but alas I have the here and now to deal with as does everyone on this site.

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Re: Acupuncture and Myofascial release

Postby leashy11 » Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:50 pm

By flare up I mean after I have muscles released I sublux in a variety of areas and end up with all manner of misaligned areas so the tight stuff that was previously holding me together in some kind of order (not great but better than no support) is released off and the muscles that should be working don't so I end up with no support whatsoever and literally look and feel like I'm falling to pieces! That in turn makes those muscles clamp up again so I get a flare up followed by a worsening of muscle tension which can leave me in agony for up to 3-4 weeks. Not a huge success for me on any occasion. I have to gently stretch bits, only certain muscles can stand it, and leave other stuff alone at the moment.
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Re: Acupuncture and Myofascial release

Postby lil_miffy » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:59 am

After reading though the entire thread it sounds like my mum has had an extreme reaction to accupuncture like some people here. It also sounds like alot of people haven't had good experiences with nhs physios doing accupuncuture.

Iv emailed my mum a load of peoples posts so she can read herself but i think personally with the reaction shes had she is better of not having it again and waiting till she has been reffered to the hms specialsit in newcastle. Its been fortnight since he last (and 1st) session and she is still in total agony and can hardly move. she has her 2nd sessoin on wednesday morning (my 1st session is on the afternoon) so iv told her to talk to her physio 1st and really think hard before having it again.

Iv decided that im going to see how i react in the 1st sessoin and if its bad then I won't have it again. My back is at its worst again just like 2years ago when it was decided i should try the steroid injections (which didnt work) so i dont want to make it even worse and cripple myself completely.

I am really pleased at all the positive expereinces people are having and i hope that anyone who hasnt had it will at least give it a try becuase it sounds like when it does work its brilliant. I just am very worried about mum because the last time she was this bad was when i was a kid and she was bedridden for a year and I have to care for her. don't want her getting into that state again becuase i can't help her now. :cry:
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Re: Acupuncture and Myofascial release

Postby Honeybee » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:29 pm

It sounds like you and your Mum have had a really hard time with the HMS Li-miffy. I wish there was one answer or one treatment that would help everybody but we are all so different and affected to different degrees. I've been off work since Jan this year and hoping that the acupuncture and myofascial release make a difference for me. A bit of a last hope of retaining at least part of my job. They dont expect me back and its only because I'm doing all this physio that they cant get rid of me yet. The acupuncture had definately helped but the myofascial release has made the biggest differnce and was very gentle. It made me very exhausted afterwards but as I'm able to rest it has passed and I feel less restricted and lighter over my whole body and my head feels clearer and I have the stirrings of energy for the first time in months. I'm still burning things to the bottom of pots because I've forgotten them but not so much so thats a good sign. I've joined a sliming club and have become obsessed with counting calories but at least I can count them which is better than a few months ago when I had no motivation or energy at all. Something is happening and its still early days. I hope that your acupuncture has a better outcome this time.

Take very good care.
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Anyone tried acupuncture?

Postby hayleybum80 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:48 pm

Hey everyone

Just wondered whether anyone has tried acupuncture to help with pain management? Its something I am considering looking into, but wanted to see if anyone else had tried it?

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Re: Acupuncture eperiences/queries.

Postby Blaadyblah » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:01 pm

I found it very helpful when my shoulder was in spasm, my physio intervened with needles and the joint began to relax and then recover. What is it you want to achieve? Someone else may have tried it...
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